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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 29 jan 2009, 07:40

Hello aan alle Nederlandse en Vlaamse 404-fans

Please excuse my English, I hope you will forgive me but my Dutch language ability is nearly zero.

I am trying to get together a list of surviving 404 C cars (identified by serial number and/or body number) and so far I have got 55 of these on my list. I notice that a number of the members here have 404 Coupé or Cabriolet cars and so I would like to also ask for your help.

I am seeking the following data about any 404 C cars that still exist today or were owned at one time by anyone:
  • serial number
  • carrosserie Peugeot number
  • body colour
  • upholstery material/colour
  • general location
  • condition of the vehicle


I am already working with Michel VERDIER of the Club 404 in France on this project, and my goal is to improve the database that the Club 404 already has for 404 C cars.

I do not want or need any personal information from or about the owners, not even the number plate information. Even the serial number and basic car colour would be great to have! You may post the information here, or send me a private message, or send me an email, whichever is easiest for you.

In the course of my inventory, I came across information about a 404 that was apparently exported from South Africa to the Netherlands in 1996. Perhaps someone here knows of it? It is a white 1966 404 Coupé with carburetor, serial number 4498223.

Best regards and thank you in advance for any assistance.

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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 29 jan 2009, 08:49

Perhaps this is the car from South Africa, found on the excellent Dutch 404 CC site:

Afbeelding

Bouwjaar 1965
Land van herkomst Zuid Afrika
Motor Onbekend
Kleur Wit
Laatst bekende eigenaar Onbekend
Laatst bekende woonplaats Hilversum
Bijzonderheden Stond te koop in 2005.

The serial number is 4498223, a carbureted car.
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Berichtdoor Michael » 29 jan 2009, 09:08

deze auto is nu zwart, zeer mooi gespoten en staat in oosterhout.
en er komt een injectie motor in.
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 29 jan 2009, 09:22

Dank u well!
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 29 jan 2009, 10:44

I have another 1500+ 404 CC serial numbers that I've just received this evening from the Club 404 in France, well that does make the list grow a little bit! WOW!

Assistance in adding to the list would still be appreciated, of course!
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Berichtdoor Gilletti » 29 jan 2009, 12:31

I have no clue what the serial- and bodynumber of my coupé is, but I will try to find out a.s.a.p..

What exactly is your goal? To make a list of the survivors so far? :-)
I think 95% of the Dutch (and some Belgian) registered cars which are listed on www.404cc.nl are still alive.
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 29 jan 2009, 17:38

Yes, the goal is to get as many cars as possible into the database. I will be adding new ones to the Club 404's database also; perhaps we can eventually achieve 2000 404 C cars in the registry?

For me it is just interesting to see how many of these cars are left, and where in the world they are located.

Thanks for your assistance!
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 30 jan 2009, 08:58

There were some multiple entries among the 1500 new-to-me 404 C serial numbers, so the actual number is about 1300. So I am close to 1400 in total.
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 02 feb 2009, 01:04

Final update on the 404 C list: 1245 individual cars have been listed by their serial numbers. I know more are out there! We will be working on a Web-based 404 C serial number tool soon. It will list cars, not owners, locations or any private information.
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Here is the summary of 404 C locations to date

Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 03 feb 2009, 22:27

1059 France
64 Germany
19 Switzerland
16 Belgium
14 Netherlands
9 Canada
9 USA
7 Great Britain
7 South Africa
5 New Zealand
5 Italy
4 Greece
3 Spain
3 Australia
3 Autriche
3 Luxembourg
3 Portugal
2 Norway
3 Sweden
2 Morocco
2 New Caledonia
2 Serbia Montenegro
2 Denmark
1 Costa Rica
1 Colombia
1 Finland
1 Tunisia
1 Madagascar
1251 TOTAL
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Berichtdoor Gilletti » 03 feb 2009, 23:31

Well, it's sure that there are more than 14 in NL. :wink:

But I am still thinking how you can grab all the serial numbers together.
Here in NL a license plate stays with the car so that's why we normally use the plate as identification instead of the serial number.
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 04 feb 2009, 01:08

Yes that is the challenge, so any help in achieving the rightful place on this list of countries for The Netherlands would be appreciated!
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 05 feb 2009, 07:25

The census continues, we are still getting a few new 404 C cars identified from all over the world each day.

Special thanks to those on this forum who are about to, or have already helped me, by adding their car(s) to the list!



And now for some trivia about me: I actually lived in the Netherlands for 3 years when I was a kid, but I went to a Canadian school in Brunssum which didn't give me a good chance to learn Dutch. Poor excuse, I know....but the Dutch kids I knew in our Schaesberg neighbourhood were learning English in school and so practised it with me all the time. that is my excuse. I do know French, a bit of German and Spanish, though!

While we lived in NL, my father owned a 1966 bronze metallic 404 SL Injection sedan, Canadian model (red rear turn signals, MPH speedometer, selaed beam headlights, seat belts). The license plate was AFC 84288.

That car was assembled from a CKD kit in 1966 at St-Bruno-de-Montarville in Québec. In 1972, just before we moved back to Canada, the car was sold to another Candian military officer, but it was getting rusty. I have wondered if that car - by some miracle - survives to this day in the Netherlands.
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Berichtdoor Gilletti » 05 feb 2009, 10:12

Until now I still haven't been to my garage, but I can tell you the "meldcode" (= last four digits of the serial number) of my Gris Grapite '67 coupé with carburator: 0211
Pictures can be found all over this forum. :wink:
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 05 feb 2009, 17:23

If that's from the "467" series, my records call it a very early 1968 model, but that could be wrong of course! I don't think it would be from the 449 series, not with such a low meldcode.
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 05 feb 2009, 17:25

To be specific, my records show that up to 4670110 was a 1967 model. could your car be newer than you think? :shock:
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Berichtdoor Gilletti » 05 feb 2009, 18:03

My car has all the specifics of the '68 model (for instance the new steering wheel) and was imported from France a few years ago.
Maybe there went something wrong with the translation of the French registration to the Dutch one? :wink:

On my papers 1967 is mentioned as the first year it was used.
And this is also what the "RDW" data says for AE-02-28:
- Date of first registration: 15-09-1967
- Date or most recent owner registration: 27-10-2006
- Date of first registration in NL: 29-03-1999
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 06 feb 2009, 05:32

OK, it seems the car was purchased in September 1967 but it was definitely a 1968 model. Interesting! It does make sense, considering your observations about the steering wheel.
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 06 feb 2009, 05:44

And thanks to a well-known benefactor of 404 CC cars in NL, the 404 CC Country-standings have now been revised as follows:

1059 (F)
65 (D)
49 (NL)
19 (CH)
16 (B)
9 (CDN)
9 (USA)
7 (GB)
7 (ZA)
5 (I)
4 (NZ)
4 (GR)
3 (E)
3 (AUS)
3 (A)
3 (L)
3 (P)
3 (S)
2 (N)
2 (Morocco)
2 (New Caledonia)
2 (Serbia Montenegro)
2 (DK)
1 (Costa Rica)
1 (Colombia)
1 (FIN)
1 (Tunisia)
1 (Madagascar)
1286 TOTAL
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 10 feb 2009, 09:11

Of the total production of the 404 C for each model year, here are the percentages of each year's production that is on our list, so far:

1962 model: 4,92 %
1963 model: 4,33 %
1964 model: 4,15 %
1965 model: 4,71 %
1966 model: 7,46 %
1967 model: 10,25 %
1968 model: 12,63 %
1969 model: 13,85 %

Overall production: 1290/17223 = 7,49 %

The yearly percentages are probably a bit low because I don't have a totally accurate production figure for each model year, just an approximate one. Therefore I had to estimate total production based upon figures from GAZOLINE's 404 issue, but their figures would tell us that 17737 404 Cs were built, which we know is about 3% too high.

The total for Germany is down to 64 cars, as one record was a duplication. No duplications exist elsewhere. So now, NL is not that far behind D!

Any more assistance in getting the Dutch 404 CC cars into this database would be very much appreciated! And Flemish Belgium too!
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Berichtdoor Mockenrue » 11 feb 2009, 00:28

The exact number of manufactured cars is 17225, Mike.

I have a list with production count per month and acummulated production count per month, based on body numbers, not chassis numbers. I'll pass it to you.
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 11 feb 2009, 03:30

I have heard about the 17225 being the official total, but apparently the Carrosserie number of the last car was 17223! Maybe the diesel record car(s) didn't have a body number?

Still I would definitely appreciate you forwarding your list to me!

Cheers
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 11 feb 2009, 08:04

I got a 404 Cabriolet from Turks and Caicos Islands tonight, so we are up to 1295 cars on the list. That is 7.52% of the total 404 C production.

Update: We are now at a total of 1299 cars, as of this morning!

Any help would be appreciated!
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Berichtdoor ceess » 12 feb 2009, 00:05

jaren geleden (96) heb ik in het voormalige Ho chi Min -Saigon (Vietnam) een groen metalic 404 cabriolet gespot. Enkele jaren later reed hij er nog steeds rond.
Daarnaast reden er toen meerdere 404's rond in Vietnam (en een 203 cabriolet).
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Berichtdoor Mike Tippett » 12 feb 2009, 04:50

I bought 4 new 404 C headlight rings from a fellow in Vietnam - original, still in their wrappings, perfect condition, $50 for a pair. That was on eBay a few years ago. So there must have been more than a few 404 Cs in Vietnam in the old days!

Another update: we added a 404 Cab from Paraguay to the llist this evening, so we have hit the mark of one thousand three hundred cars in the database!
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